International Harvester 485 or SAME Condor (DT)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 485 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Condor (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The International Harvester 485 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 95% (22.9 L/min / 6.0 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 485 | Condor (DT) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 38.2 kW (51.2 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | 38.2 kW (51.2 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 485 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Condor (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 485 and the Condor (DT). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 485 and the Condor (DT). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 46.9 L/min (12.4 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | 24.0 L/min (6.3 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | AheadThe International Harvester 485 has 95% more hydraulic flow (22.9 L/min / 6.0 gpm) than the SAME Condor (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 1,680 kg (3,704 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | 2,000 kg (4,409 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the 485: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)”); the Condor (DT): lift through the full range at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,550 kg (5,622 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | 2,020 kg (4,453 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The International Harvester 485 is 26% heavier (530 kg / 1,168 lb) than the SAME Condor (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 485 and the Condor (DT). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 8 to 16Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | 8 to 14Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 485 and the Condor (DT). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | 25 km/h (15.5 mph) to 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | AheadThe International Harvester 485 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the SAME Condor (DT) does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | independentTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | EvenEven on PTO independence: every PTO is independent. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)” | AheadThe SAME Condor (DT) is available with four-wheel drive; the International Harvester 485 is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1981–1990 | 1978–1982 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The International Harvester 485 has 95% more hydraulic flow (22.9 L/min / 6.0 gpm) than the SAME Condor (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The International Harvester 485 is 26% heavier (530 kg / 1,168 lb) than the SAME Condor (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The International Harvester 485 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the SAME Condor (DT) does not (as stated by the sources).
- The SAME Condor (DT) is available with four-wheel drive; the International Harvester 485 is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO independence: every PTO is independent.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 485 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Condor (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the 485: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “IHC 485 (XL)”); the Condor (DT): lift through the full range at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Condor 52 (DT)”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass and a creeper range.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources