Fiat 65-66 S (DT) or Renault Ceres 75 (A)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 65-66 S (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Ceres 75 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Renault Ceres 75 (A) suits road haulage better on this data: 31% (1,300 kg / 2,866 lb) more maximum permissible mass.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “similar machines”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 65-66 S (DT) | Ceres 75 (A) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 47.8 kW (64.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 47.8 kW (64.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 65-66 S (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Ceres 75 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 65-66 S (DT) and the Ceres 75 (A). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 65-66 S (DT) and the Ceres 75 (A). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 34.5 L/min (9.1 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 34.1 L/min (9.0 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | EvenEven on hydraulic flow (both pump flow, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 3,000 kg (6,614 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 2,870 kg (6,327 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the 65-66 S (DT): lift through the full range at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS”); the Ceres 75 (A): lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,815 kg (6,206 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 2,970 kg (6,548 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | EvenEven on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 4,200 kg (9,259 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 5,500 kg (12,125 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | AheadThe Renault Ceres 75 (A) has 31% higher maximum permissible mass (1,300 kg / 2,866 lb) than the Fiat 65-66 S (DT) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 12 to 20Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 18 to 20Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 65-66 S (DT) and the Ceres 75 (A). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | AheadThe Renault Ceres 75 (A) offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the Fiat 65-66 S (DT) does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the Ceres 75 (A). |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS” | 2WD / 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1992–1996 | 1993–1995 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Renault Ceres 75 (A) has 31% higher maximum permissible mass (1,300 kg / 2,866 lb) than the Fiat 65-66 S (DT) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source).
- The Renault Ceres 75 (A) offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the Fiat 65-66 S (DT) does not (as stated by the sources).
- Even on hydraulic flow (both pump flow, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 65-66 S (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Ceres 75 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the 65-66 S (DT): lift through the full range at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 65-66S/65-66 DTS”); the Ceres 75 (A): lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 75”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, a creeper range and PTO independence.
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