Fendt 817 Vario-TMS or SAME Titan 165?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 817 Vario-TMS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS suits road haulage better on this data: 47% (4,000 kg / 8,818 lb) more maximum permissible mass and 25% (10.0 km/h / 6.2 mph) more top speed.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 817 Vario-TMS | Titan 165 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 121 kW (162 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 120.6 kW (161.7 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 817 Vario-TMS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 817 Vario-TMS and the Titan 165. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 817 Vario-TMS and the Titan 165. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 110.0 L/min (29.1 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | — | No figureNo call on hydraulic flow: no figure on record for the Titan 165. |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 9,255 kg (20,404 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 8,600 kg (18,960 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | EvenNo call on three-point lift: the sources do not state where the lift was measured, so the difference is not a reliable call. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 6,650 kg (14,661 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 5,830 kg (12,853 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is 14% heavier (820 kg / 1,808 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 12,500 kg (27,558 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 8,500 kg (18,739 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | AheadThe Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 47% higher maximum permissible mass (4,000 kg / 8,818 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | Stepless (CVT)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 26 to 27 forwardTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | DifferTransmissions differ in kind: the Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is stepless (CVT) and the SAME Titan 165 has 26 to 27 forward gears — not called. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 817 Vario-TMS and the Titan 165. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 50 km/h (31.1 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | AheadThe Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 25% more top speed (10.0 km/h / 6.2 mph) than the SAME Titan 165 (both top speed forward, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpm / 750 rpm / 1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | AheadThe Fendt 817 Vario-TMS offers 750 rpm at the PTO, which the SAME Titan 165 does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | independentTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 817 Vario-TMS. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 2003–2009 | 1998–2001 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is newer: production began 5 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is 14% heavier (820 kg / 1,808 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 47% higher maximum permissible mass (4,000 kg / 8,818 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source).
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 25% more top speed (10.0 km/h / 6.2 mph) than the SAME Titan 165 (both top speed forward, as stated by the source).
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS offers 750 rpm at the PTO, which the SAME Titan 165 does not (as stated by the sources).
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is newer: production began 5 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- No call on three-point lift: the sources do not state where the lift was measured, so the difference is not a reliable call.
- Transmissions differ in kind: the Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is stepless (CVT) and the SAME Titan 165 has 26 to 27 forward gears — not called.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 817 Vario-TMS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, hydraulic flow, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources