AGCO-ALLIS 8745 or Fiat 70-86 (DT)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 8745 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 70-86 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The AGCO-ALLIS 8745 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 66% (26.2 L/min / 6.9 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 8745 | 70-86 (DT) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 51.5 kW (69.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | 51.5 kW (69.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 8745 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 70-86 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 8745 and the 70-86 (DT). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 8745 and the 70-86 (DT). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 66.2 L/min (17.5 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | 40.0 L/min (10.6 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | AheadThe AGCO-ALLIS 8745 has 66% more hydraulic flow (26.2 L/min / 6.9 gpm) than the Fiat 70-86 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 2,600 kg (5,732 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | 2,375 kg (5,236 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | EvenEven on three-point lift (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 3,615 kg (7,970 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | 1,947 kg (4,292 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The AGCO-ALLIS 8745 is 86% heavier (1,668 kg / 3,677 lb) than the Fiat 70-86 (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 8745 and the 70-86 (DT). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 12Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | 12 to 20Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 8745 and the 70-86 (DT). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | AheadThe AGCO-ALLIS 8745 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the Fiat 70-86 (DT) does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | EvenEven on PTO independence: every PTO is independent. |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 8745” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 70-86 V/70-86 V/DT” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1998–1999 | 1992–2000 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The AGCO-ALLIS 8745 is newer: production began 6 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The AGCO-ALLIS 8745 has 66% more hydraulic flow (26.2 L/min / 6.9 gpm) than the Fiat 70-86 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The AGCO-ALLIS 8745 is 86% heavier (1,668 kg / 3,677 lb) than the Fiat 70-86 (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The AGCO-ALLIS 8745 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the Fiat 70-86 (DT) does not (as stated by the sources).
- The AGCO-ALLIS 8745 is newer: production began 6 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on three-point lift (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on PTO independence: every PTO is independent.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 8745 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 70-86 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass and a creeper range.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources