SAME Titan 165 or VALMET 2105-4?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 2105-4 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Titan 165 | 2105-4 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 120.6 kW (161.7 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 119.9 kW (160.8 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 2105-4 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Titan 165 and the 2105-4. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Titan 165 and the 2105-4. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | — | 61.0 L/min (16.1 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | No figureNo call on hydraulic flow: no figure on record for the Titan 165. |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 8,600 kg (18,960 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 4,782 kg (10,543 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the Titan 165: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165”); the 2105-4: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 5,830 kg (12,853 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 6,395 kg (14,099 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | EvenEven on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 8,500 kg (18,739 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 8,575 kg (18,905 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | EvenEven on maximum permissible mass (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 26 to 27Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 16Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | AheadThe SAME Titan 165 has 63% more forward gears (10 gears) than the VALMET 2105-4 (both forward gears, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the Titan 165 and the 2105-4. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 2105-4. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1998–2001 | 1986–1987 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The SAME Titan 165 is newer: production began 12 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The SAME Titan 165 has 63% more forward gears (10 gears) than the VALMET 2105-4 (both forward gears, as stated by the source).
- The SAME Titan 165 is newer: production began 12 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on maximum permissible mass (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm).
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 2105-4 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the Titan 165: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165”); the 2105-4: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 2105”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, hydraulic flow, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources