SAME Explorer 65 (DT) or VALMET 505/505-4?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the Explorer 65 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 505/505-4 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The VALMET 505/505-4 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 44% (16.2 L/min / 4.3 gpm) more hydraulic flow and 15% (516 kg / 1,138 lb) more three-point lift.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Explorer 65 (DT) | 505/505-4 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 47.8 kW (64.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | 47.8 kW (64.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Explorer 65 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 505/505-4 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Explorer 65 (DT) and the 505/505-4. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Explorer 65 (DT) and the 505/505-4. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 36.5 L/min (9.6 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | 52.7 L/min (13.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | AheadThe VALMET 505/505-4 has 44% more hydraulic flow (16.2 L/min / 4.3 gpm) than the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 3,430 kg (7,562 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | 3,946 kg (8,699 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | AheadThe VALMET 505/505-4 has 15% more lift (516 kg / 1,138 lb) than the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,440 kg (5,379 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | 3,520 kg (7,760 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The VALMET 505/505-4 is 44% heavier (1,080 kg / 2,381 lb) than the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the Explorer 65 (DT) and the 505/505-4. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 12 to 20Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | 8 to 16Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the Explorer 65 (DT) and the 505/505-4. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | AheadThe VALMET 505/505-4 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the Explorer 65 (DT). |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Explorer 65” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 505” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1983–1986 | 1983–1989 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The VALMET 505/505-4 has 44% more hydraulic flow (16.2 L/min / 4.3 gpm) than the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The VALMET 505/505-4 has 15% more lift (516 kg / 1,138 lb) than the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The VALMET 505/505-4 is 44% heavier (1,080 kg / 2,381 lb) than the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The VALMET 505/505-4 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the SAME Explorer 65 (DT) does not (as stated by the sources).
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Explorer 65 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 505/505-4 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources