SAME Buffalo 120 (DT) or SOMECA 1180 (TD)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the Buffalo 120 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 1180 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The SOMECA 1180 (TD) suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 61% (18.2 L/min / 4.8 gpm) more hydraulic flow and 39% (1,330 kg / 2,932 lb) more three-point lift.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Buffalo 120 (DT) | 1180 (TD) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 84.6 kW (113.5 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | 84.6 kW (113.5 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Buffalo 120 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 1180 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Buffalo 120 (DT) and the 1180 (TD). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Buffalo 120 (DT) and the 1180 (TD). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 30.0 L/min (7.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | 48.2 L/min (12.7 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | AheadThe SOMECA 1180 (TD) has 61% more hydraulic flow (18.2 L/min / 4.8 gpm) than the SAME Buffalo 120 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 3,380 kg (7,452 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | 4,710 kg (10,384 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | AheadThe SOMECA 1180 (TD) has 39% more lift (1,330 kg / 2,932 lb) than the SAME Buffalo 120 (DT) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 4,400 kg (9,700 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | 4,677 kg (10,311 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | EvenEven on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the Buffalo 120 (DT) and the 1180 (TD). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 12 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | 12 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the Buffalo 120 (DT) and the 1180 (TD). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | 25 km/h (15.5 mph) to 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the Buffalo 120 (DT) and the 1180 (TD). |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Buffalo 120” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 1180” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1974–1977 | 1979–1983 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The SOMECA 1180 (TD) is newer: production began 5 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The SOMECA 1180 (TD) has 61% more hydraulic flow (18.2 L/min / 4.8 gpm) than the SAME Buffalo 120 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The SOMECA 1180 (TD) has 39% more lift (1,330 kg / 2,932 lb) than the SAME Buffalo 120 (DT) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The SOMECA 1180 (TD) is newer: production began 5 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm).
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Buffalo 120 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 1180 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources