SAME Argon 70 or VALMET 465 (465-4)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the Argon 70 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 465 (465-4) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Argon 70 | 465 (465-4) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 51.5 kW (69.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | 51.5 kW (69.1 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Argon 70 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 465 (465-4) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Argon 70 and the 465 (465-4). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Argon 70 and the 465 (465-4). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 47.0 L/min (12.4 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | 55.0 L/min (14.5 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | AheadThe VALMET 465 (465-4) has 17% more hydraulic flow (8.0 L/min / 2.1 gpm) than the SAME Argon 70 (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 2,900 kg (6,393 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | 2,580 kg (5,688 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | AheadThe SAME Argon 70 has 12% more lift (320 kg / 705 lb) than the VALMET 465 (465-4) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,600 kg (5,732 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | 2,820 kg (6,217 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | EvenEven on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 4,600 kg (10,141 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 465 (465-4). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 16 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | 8 to 12Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | AheadThe SAME Argon 70 has 33% more forward gears (4 gears) than the VALMET 465 (465-4) (both forward gears, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the Argon 70 and the 465 (465-4). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/540E rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | 540E/540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | EvenEven on PTO independence: every PTO is independent. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 70” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 465” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1993–2004 | 1993–1997 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The VALMET 465 (465-4) has 17% more hydraulic flow (8.0 L/min / 2.1 gpm) than the SAME Argon 70 (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The SAME Argon 70 has 12% more lift (320 kg / 705 lb) than the VALMET 465 (465-4) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The SAME Argon 70 has 33% more forward gears (4 gears) than the VALMET 465 (465-4) (both forward gears, as stated by the source).
- Even on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm).
- Even on PTO independence: every PTO is independent.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Argon 70 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 465 (465-4) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass and a creeper range.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources