SAME Argon 50 (DT) or VALMET 504?
Which should you choose?
On performance, every comparable figure that differs favours the SAME Argon 50 (DT): hydraulic flow and three-point lift. It is also ahead on forward gears and drive.
- The SAME Argon 50 (DT) suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 22% (6.0 L/min / 1.6 gpm) more hydraulic flow and 62% (1,105 kg / 2,436 lb) more three-point lift.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Argon 50 (DT) | 504 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 34.1 kW (45.7 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 34.0 kW (45.6 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | EvenEven on power at the PTO shaft (both power at the PTO, claimed): the difference is under the 10% threshold for claimed figures, too small to call. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Argon 50 (DT) and the 504. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Argon 50 (DT) and the 504. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 33.0 L/min (8.7 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 27.0 L/min (7.1 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | AheadThe SAME Argon 50 (DT) has 22% more hydraulic flow (6.0 L/min / 1.6 gpm) than the VALMET 504 (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 2,900 kg (6,393 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 1,795 kg (3,957 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | AheadThe SAME Argon 50 (DT) has 62% more lift (1,105 kg / 2,436 lb) than the VALMET 504 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,090 kg (4,608 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 2,690 kg (5,930 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The VALMET 504 is 29% heavier (600 kg / 1,323 lb) than the SAME Argon 50 (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 3,900 kg (8,598 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 504. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 16 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 6Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | AheadThe SAME Argon 50 (DT) has 167% more forward gears (10 gears) than the VALMET 504 (both forward gears, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers a creeper range? | YesTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 504. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/540E rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 504. |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Argon 50” | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 504” | AheadThe SAME Argon 50 (DT) is available with four-wheel drive; the VALMET 504 is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1993–2004 | 1982–1985 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The SAME Argon 50 (DT) is newer: production began 11 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The SAME Argon 50 (DT) has 22% more hydraulic flow (6.0 L/min / 1.6 gpm) than the VALMET 504 (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The SAME Argon 50 (DT) has 62% more lift (1,105 kg / 2,436 lb) than the VALMET 504 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The VALMET 504 is 29% heavier (600 kg / 1,323 lb) than the SAME Argon 50 (DT) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The SAME Argon 50 (DT) has 167% more forward gears (10 gears) than the VALMET 504 (both forward gears, as stated by the source).
- The SAME Argon 50 (DT) is available with four-wheel drive; the VALMET 504 is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- The SAME Argon 50 (DT) is newer: production began 11 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on power at the PTO shaft (both power at the PTO, claimed): the difference is under the 10% threshold for claimed figures, too small to call.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm).
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources