Renault Ceres 85 (A) or SAME Frutteto 75 II?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the Ceres 85 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Frutteto 75 II has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Ceres 85 (A) | Frutteto 75 II | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 55.2 kW (74.0 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | 55.2 kW (74.0 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Ceres 85 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Frutteto 75 II has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Ceres 85 (A) and the Frutteto 75 II. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Ceres 85 (A) and the Frutteto 75 II. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 45.3 L/min (12.0 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | 55.0 L/min (14.5 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | AheadThe SAME Frutteto 75 II has 21% more hydraulic flow (9.7 L/min / 2.6 gpm) than the Renault Ceres 85 (A) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 3,825 kg (8,433 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | 2,900 kg (6,393 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | AheadThe Renault Ceres 85 (A) has 32% more lift (925 kg / 2,039 lb) than the SAME Frutteto 75 II (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 3,285 kg (7,242 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | 2,520 kg (5,556 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Renault Ceres 85 (A) is 30% heavier (765 kg / 1,687 lb) than the SAME Frutteto 75 II (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 6,000 kg (13,228 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the Frutteto 75 II. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 9 to 10Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | 12 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 25% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the Ceres 85 (A) and the Frutteto 75 II. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | 540 rpm / 1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | independentTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | EvenEven on PTO independence: every PTO is independent. |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 85” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Frutteto II 75” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1993–1995 | 1992–2005 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The SAME Frutteto 75 II has 21% more hydraulic flow (9.7 L/min / 2.6 gpm) than the Renault Ceres 85 (A) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Renault Ceres 85 (A) has 32% more lift (925 kg / 2,039 lb) than the SAME Frutteto 75 II (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The Renault Ceres 85 (A) is 30% heavier (765 kg / 1,687 lb) than the SAME Frutteto 75 II (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 25% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm).
- Even on PTO independence: every PTO is independent.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Ceres 85 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Frutteto 75 II has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass and a creeper range.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources