Renault 97-54 TS or VALMET 865-2/865?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 97-54 TS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 865-2/865 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 97-54 TS | 865-2/865 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 64 kW (86 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | 64 kW (86 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 97-54 TS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 865-2/865 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 97-54 TS and the 865-2/865. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 97-54 TS and the 865-2/865. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 41.6 L/min (11.0 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | 57.0 L/min (15.1 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | AheadThe VALMET 865-2/865 has 37% more hydraulic flow (15.4 L/min / 4.1 gpm) than the Renault 97-54 TS (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 4,750 kg (10,472 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | 3,365 kg (7,419 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | AheadThe Renault 97-54 TS has 41% more lift (1,385 kg / 3,053 lb) than the VALMET 865-2/865 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 4,620 kg (10,185 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | 3,190 kg (7,033 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Renault 97-54 TS is 45% heavier (1,430 kg / 3,153 lb) than the VALMET 865-2/865 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 97-54 TS and the 865-2/865. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 16Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | 8 to 12Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | AheadThe Renault 97-54 TS has 33% more forward gears (4 gears) than the VALMET 865-2/865 (both forward gears, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 97-54 TS and the 865-2/865. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | 540E/540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | AheadThe Renault 97-54 TS offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the VALMET 865-2/865 does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 97-54 TS. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 97-54 TS R 7802” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Valmet 865” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1990 | 1996–1997 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The VALMET 865-2/865 is newer: production began 6 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The VALMET 865-2/865 has 37% more hydraulic flow (15.4 L/min / 4.1 gpm) than the Renault 97-54 TS (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 97-54 TS has 41% more lift (1,385 kg / 3,053 lb) than the VALMET 865-2/865 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 97-54 TS is 45% heavier (1,430 kg / 3,153 lb) than the VALMET 865-2/865 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 97-54 TS has 33% more forward gears (4 gears) than the VALMET 865-2/865 (both forward gears, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 97-54 TS offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the VALMET 865-2/865 does not (as stated by the sources).
- The VALMET 865-2/865 is newer: production began 6 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 97-54 TS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 865-2/865 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources