Renault 85-12 TX or SOMECA 780 (TD)?
Which should you choose?
On performance, every comparable figure that differs favours the Renault 85-12 TX: hydraulic flow and three-point lift. It is also ahead on top speed. On features, the SOMECA 780 (TD) is ahead on drive.
- The Renault 85-12 TX suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 57% (15.1 L/min / 4.0 gpm) more hydraulic flow and 14% (475 kg / 1,047 lb) more three-point lift.
- The Renault 85-12 TX suits road haulage better on this data: 20% (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) more top speed.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 85-12 TX | 780 (TD) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 48.0 kW (64.4 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | 47.7 kW (64.0 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | EvenEven on power at the PTO shaft (both power at the PTO, claimed): the difference is under the 10% threshold for claimed figures, too small to call. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 85-12 TX and the 780 (TD). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 85-12 TX and the 780 (TD). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 41.4 L/min (10.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | 26.3 L/min (6.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | AheadThe Renault 85-12 TX has 57% more hydraulic flow (15.1 L/min / 4.0 gpm) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 3,825 kg (8,433 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | 3,350 kg (7,385 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | AheadThe Renault 85-12 TX has 14% more lift (475 kg / 1,047 lb) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 3,405 kg (7,507 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | 2,410 kg (5,313 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Renault 85-12 TX is 41% heavier (995 kg / 2,194 lb) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 85-12 TX and the 780 (TD). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 12 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | 8 to 12Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 85-12 TX and the 780 (TD). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | AheadThe Renault 85-12 TX has 20% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both top speed forward, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 85-12 TX. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 85-12 TS/TX R7761” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 780” | AheadThe SOMECA 780 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 85-12 TX is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1986–1989 | 1975–1983 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Renault 85-12 TX is newer: production began 11 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Renault 85-12 TX has 57% more hydraulic flow (15.1 L/min / 4.0 gpm) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 85-12 TX has 14% more lift (475 kg / 1,047 lb) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 85-12 TX is 41% heavier (995 kg / 2,194 lb) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 85-12 TX has 20% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the SOMECA 780 (TD) (both top speed forward, as stated by the source).
- The SOMECA 780 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 85-12 TX is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- The Renault 85-12 TX is newer: production began 11 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on power at the PTO shaft (both power at the PTO, claimed): the difference is under the 10% threshold for claimed figures, too small to call.
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm).
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources