Renault 58-12 LS or Renault Ceres 65 (A)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 58-12 LS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Ceres 65 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Renault Ceres 65 (A) suits heavy draft work (ploughing, cultivating) better on this data: four-wheel drive.
- The Renault 58-12 LS suits road haulage better on this data: 15% (650 kg / 1,433 lb) more maximum permissible mass.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 58-12 LS | Ceres 65 (A) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 39.7 kW (53.2 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 39.7 kW (53.2 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 58-12 LS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Ceres 65 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 58-12 LS and the Ceres 65 (A). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 58-12 LS and the Ceres 65 (A). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 32.3 L/min (8.5 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | — | No figureNo call on hydraulic flow: no figure on record for the Ceres 65 (A). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 2,860 kg (6,305 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 2,870 kg (6,327 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | EvenEven on three-point lift (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,640 kg (5,820 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 2,850 kg (6,283 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | EvenEven on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 5,100 kg (11,244 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 4,450 kg (9,811 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | AheadThe Renault 58-12 LS has 15% higher maximum permissible mass (650 kg / 1,433 lb) than the Renault Ceres 65 (A) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 12 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 9 to 10Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 25% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 58-12 LS and the Ceres 65 (A). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the Ceres 65 (A). |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 58-12 LS R3111” | 2WD / 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Ceres 65” | AheadThe Renault Ceres 65 (A) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 58-12 LS is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1987–1989 | 1993–1995 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Renault Ceres 65 (A) is newer: production began 6 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Renault 58-12 LS has 15% higher maximum permissible mass (650 kg / 1,433 lb) than the Renault Ceres 65 (A) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source).
- The Renault Ceres 65 (A) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 58-12 LS is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- The Renault Ceres 65 (A) is newer: production began 6 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on three-point lift (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 25% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540, 1000 rpm).
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 58-12 LS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Ceres 65 (A) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, hydraulic flow, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources