Renault 461 S or SOMECA 470 (TD)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 461 S has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 470 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Renault 461S suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 16% (3.3 L/min / 0.9 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
- The Renault 461S suits road haulage better on this data: 20% (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) more top speed.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 461 S | 470 (TD) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 33.9 kW (45.5 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | 33.8 kW (45.3 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 461 S has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 470 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 461 S and the 470 (TD). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 461 S and the 470 (TD). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 24.5 L/min (6.5 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | 21.2 L/min (5.6 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | AheadThe Renault 461S has 16% more hydraulic flow (3.3 L/min / 0.9 gpm) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 2,500 kg (5,512 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | 700 kg (1,543 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the 461 S: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461”); the 470 (TD): lift through the full range 610 mm behind the ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,034 kg (4,484 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | 1,415 kg (3,120 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Renault 461S is 44% heavier (619 kg / 1,365 lb) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 461 S and the 470 (TD). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 10Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | 6 to 9Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 25% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | YesTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 470 (TD). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | AheadThe Renault 461S has 20% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both top speed forward, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 461 S. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | AheadThe SOMECA 470 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 461S is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1980–1987 | 1980 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Renault 461S has 16% more hydraulic flow (3.3 L/min / 0.9 gpm) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 461S is 44% heavier (619 kg / 1,365 lb) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Renault 461S has 20% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both top speed forward, as stated by the source).
- The SOMECA 470 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 461S is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 25% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm).
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 461 S has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 470 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the 461 S: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461”); the 470 (TD): lift through the full range 610 mm behind the ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources