Massey Ferguson MF 165 or Renault Master 2?
Which should you choose?
On performance, every comparable figure that differs favours the Renault Master 2: hydraulic flow and three-point lift. It is also ahead on top speed.
- The Renault Master 2 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 59% (9.6 L/min / 2.5 gpm) more hydraulic flow and 15% (198 kg / 437 lb) more three-point lift.
- The Renault Master 2 suits road haulage better on this data: 25% (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) more top speed.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “similar machines”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | MF 165 | Master 2 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 39.0 kW (52.3 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165” | 39.2 kW (52.6 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78” | EvenEven on power at the PTO shaft (both power at the PTO, claimed): the difference is under the 10% threshold for claimed figures, too small to call. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the MF 165 and the Master 2. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the MF 165 and the Master 2. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 16.4 L/min (4.3 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165” | 26.0 L/min (6.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78” | AheadThe Renault Master 2 has 59% more hydraulic flow (9.6 L/min / 2.5 gpm) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 1,302 kg (2,870 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165” | 1,500 kg (3,307 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78” | AheadThe Renault Master 2 has 15% more lift (198 kg / 437 lb) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,170 kg (4,784 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165” | 2,670 kg (5,886 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Renault Master 2 is 23% heavier (500 kg / 1,102 lb) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | 5,050 kg (11,133 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2/R 718” | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the MF 165. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 6 to 12Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165” | 10Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the MF 165 and the Master 2. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 20 km/h (12.4 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165” | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78” | AheadThe Renault Master 2 has 25% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both top speed forward, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78” | Sources disagreeNo call on PTO speeds: sources disagree on the PTO speeds of the Master 2. |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the MF 165 and the Master 2. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WD / 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165”; Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 165 S” | 2WD / 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2 R78”; Traktorenlexikon, “Renault Master 2/R 718” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1964–1971 | 1964–1969 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Renault Master 2 has 59% more hydraulic flow (9.6 L/min / 2.5 gpm) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Renault Master 2 has 15% more lift (198 kg / 437 lb) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The Renault Master 2 is 23% heavier (500 kg / 1,102 lb) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Renault Master 2 has 25% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the Massey Ferguson MF 165 (both top speed forward, as stated by the source).
- Even on power at the PTO shaft (both power at the PTO, claimed): the difference is under the 10% threshold for claimed figures, too small to call.
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- No call on PTO speeds: sources disagree on the PTO speeds of the Master 2.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources