J.I. Case 870 or John Deere 820 Diesel?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 870 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 820 Diesel has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The J.I. Case 870 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 80% (26.9 L/min / 7.1 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
- The J.I. Case 870 suits road haulage better on this data: 25% (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) more top speed.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 870 | 820 Diesel | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 52.7 kW (70.7 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | 50.7 kW (68.0 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere Modell 820 Diesel” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 870 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 820 Diesel has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 870 and the 820 Diesel. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 870 and the 820 Diesel. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 60.6 L/min (16.0 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | 33.7 L/min (8.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere Modell 820 Diesel” | AheadThe J.I. Case 870 has 80% more hydraulic flow (26.9 L/min / 7.1 gpm) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | — | — | No figureNo call on three-point lift: no figure on record for the 870 and the 820 Diesel. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 4,175 kg (9,204 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | 3,561 kg (7,851 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere Modell 820 Diesel” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The J.I. Case 870 is 17% heavier (614 kg / 1,354 lb) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 870 and the 820 Diesel. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 8 to 12Traktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | 6Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere Modell 820 Diesel” | AheadThe J.I. Case 870 has 33% more forward gears (2 gears) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both forward gears, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 870 and the 820 Diesel. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 25 km/h (15.5 mph) to 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | 20 km/h (12.4 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere Modell 820 Diesel” | AheadThe J.I. Case 870 has 25% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both top speed forward, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | 536 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “John Deere Modell 820 Diesel” | No figureNo call on PTO speeds: no standard PTO speed stated for the 820 Diesel. |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 820 Diesel. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Case 870” | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “John Deere Modell 820 Diesel” | EvenEven on drive: all two-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1969–1973 | 1956–1958 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The J.I. Case 870 is newer: production began 13 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The J.I. Case 870 has 80% more hydraulic flow (26.9 L/min / 7.1 gpm) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The J.I. Case 870 is 17% heavier (614 kg / 1,354 lb) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The J.I. Case 870 has 33% more forward gears (2 gears) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both forward gears, as stated by the source).
- The J.I. Case 870 has 25% more top speed (5.0 km/h / 3.1 mph) than the John Deere 820 Diesel (both top speed forward, as stated by the source).
- The J.I. Case 870 is newer: production began 13 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on drive: all two-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 870 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 820 Diesel has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, three-point lift, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range, PTO speeds and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources