Fiat 450 SV/SE or SOMECA 470 (TD)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 450 SV/SE has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 470 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Fiat 450 SV/SE suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 10% (2.2 L/min / 0.6 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 450 SV/SE | 470 (TD) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 33.1 kW (44.4 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | 33.8 kW (45.3 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 450 SV/SE has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 470 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 450 SV/SE and the 470 (TD). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 450 SV/SE and the 470 (TD). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 23.4 L/min (6.2 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | 21.2 L/min (5.6 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | AheadThe Fiat 450 SV/SE has 10% more hydraulic flow (2.2 L/min / 0.6 gpm) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 1,500 kg (3,307 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | 700 kg (1,543 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the 450 SV/SE: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV”); the 470 (TD): lift through the full range 610 mm behind the ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 1,750 kg (3,858 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | 1,415 kg (3,120 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Fiat 450 SV/SE is 24% heavier (335 kg / 739 lb) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 450 SV/SE and the 470 (TD). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 8 to 12Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | 6 to 9Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 450 SV/SE and the 470 (TD). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | EvenEven on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | EvenEven on PTO independence: every PTO is independent. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V” | AheadThe SOMECA 470 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the Fiat 450 SV/SE is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1978–1982 | 1980 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Fiat 450 SV/SE has 10% more hydraulic flow (2.2 L/min / 0.6 gpm) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Fiat 450 SV/SE is 24% heavier (335 kg / 739 lb) than the SOMECA 470 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The SOMECA 470 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the Fiat 450 SV/SE is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Even on PTO speeds: the same speeds (540 rpm).
- Even on PTO independence: every PTO is independent.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 450 SV/SE has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 470 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the 450 SV/SE: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Fiat 450 SE/SV”); the 470 (TD): lift through the full range 610 mm behind the ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 470 V”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass and a creeper range.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources