Fiat 180-90 (DT) or John Deere 7710?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 180-90 (DT): power at the PTO, claimed (Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT”); the 7710: power at the PTO, measured by a laboratory at maximum power (OECD Test 1709) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- The John Deere 7710 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 100% (50.6 L/min / 13.4 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
- The John Deere 7710 suits road haulage better on this data: 15% (1,500 kg / 3,307 lb) more maximum permissible mass.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 180-90 (DT) | 7710 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 115.5 kW (154.9 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 112.9 kW (151.4 hp)OECD Test 1709 | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 180-90 (DT): power at the PTO, claimed (Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT”); the 7710: power at the PTO, measured by a laboratory at maximum power (OECD Test 1709) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 180-90 (DT) and the 7710. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | 102.5 kW (137.5 hp)OECD Test 1709 | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 180-90 (DT). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 50.8 L/min (13.4 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 101.4 L/min (26.8 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere 7710” | AheadThe John Deere 7710 has 100% more hydraulic flow (50.6 L/min / 13.4 gpm) than the Fiat 180-90 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 6,600 kg (14,551 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | — | No figureNo call on three-point lift: no figure on record for the 7710. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 6,330 kg (13,955 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 6,023 kg (13,278 lb) to 7,007 kg (15,448 lb), varies by configurationTraktorenlexikon, “John Deere 7710” | EvenEven on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 10,000 kg (22,046 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 11,500 kg (25,353 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere 7710” | AheadThe John Deere 7710 has 15% higher maximum permissible mass (1,500 kg / 3,307 lb) than the Fiat 180-90 (DT) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 16 to 24Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 16OECD test report 1709, 1997 | Sources disagreeNo call on forward gears: sources disagree on the figure for the 7710. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 180-90 (DT) and the 7710. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 50 km/h (31.1 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere 7710” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 540/1000 rpmOECD test report 1709, 1997 | AheadThe John Deere 7710 offers 540 rpm at the PTO, which the Fiat 180-90 (DT) does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 180-90 (DT) and the 7710. |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT” | 4WDOECD test report 1709, 1997; OECD test report 1710, 1997; OECD test report 1960, 2001; Traktorenlexikon, “John Deere 7710” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1984–1994 | 1997–2003 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The John Deere 7710 is newer: production began 13 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The John Deere 7710 has 100% more hydraulic flow (50.6 L/min / 13.4 gpm) than the Fiat 180-90 (DT) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The John Deere 7710 has 15% higher maximum permissible mass (1,500 kg / 3,307 lb) than the Fiat 180-90 (DT) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source).
- The John Deere 7710 offers 540 rpm at the PTO, which the Fiat 180-90 (DT) does not (as stated by the sources).
- The John Deere 7710 is newer: production began 13 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on weight (both unladen weight, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 180-90 (DT): power at the PTO, claimed (Traktorenlexikon, “Fiatagri 180-90 DT”); the 7710: power at the PTO, measured by a laboratory at maximum power (OECD Test 1709) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No call on forward gears: sources disagree on the figure for the 7710.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, three-point lift, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources