Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) or Fendt 817 Vario-TMS?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the Agrotron 165 (New) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 817 Vario-TMS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 33% (27.0 L/min / 7.1 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS suits road haulage better on this data: 25% (2,500 kg / 5,512 lb) more maximum permissible mass.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Agrotron 165 (New) | 817 Vario-TMS | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 120 kW (161 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 121 kW (162 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Agrotron 165 (New) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 817 Vario-TMS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Agrotron 165 (New) and the 817 Vario-TMS. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Agrotron 165 (New) and the 817 Vario-TMS. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 83.0 L/min (21.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 110.0 L/min (29.1 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | AheadThe Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 33% more hydraulic flow (27.0 L/min / 7.1 gpm) than the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 9,240 kg (20,371 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 9,255 kg (20,404 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the Agrotron 165 (New): lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)”); the 817 Vario-TMS: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 5,970 kg (13,162 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 6,650 kg (14,661 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is 11% heavier (680 kg / 1,499 lb) than the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 10,000 kg (22,046 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 12,500 kg (27,558 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | AheadThe Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 25% higher maximum permissible mass (2,500 kg / 5,512 lb) than the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 24 forwardTraktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | Stepless (CVT)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | DifferTransmissions differ in kind: the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) has 24 forward gears and the Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is stepless (CVT) — not called. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the Agrotron 165 (New) and the 817 Vario-TMS. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 40 km/h (24.9 mph) to 50 km/h (31.1 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 50 km/h (31.1 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpm / 1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 540 rpm / 750 rpm / 1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | AheadThe Fendt 817 Vario-TMS offers 750 rpm at the PTO, which the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 817 Vario-TMS. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)” | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 2003–2004 | 2003–2009 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 33% more hydraulic flow (27.0 L/min / 7.1 gpm) than the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is 11% heavier (680 kg / 1,499 lb) than the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS has 25% higher maximum permissible mass (2,500 kg / 5,512 lb) than the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source).
- The Fendt 817 Vario-TMS offers 750 rpm at the PTO, which the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) does not (as stated by the sources).
- Transmissions differ in kind: the Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New) has 24 forward gears and the Fendt 817 Vario-TMS is stepless (CVT) — not called.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Agrotron 165 (New) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 817 Vario-TMS has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the Agrotron 165 (New): lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz-Fahr Agrotron 165 (New)”); the 817 Vario-TMS: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, a creeper range and PTO independence.
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