Deutz (KHD) F1L 514/51 or MASSEY-HARRIS Pony 811/812?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the F1L 514/51 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Pony 811/812 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Deutz F1L 514/51 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 111% (10.5 L/min / 2.8 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
- The Deutz F1L 514/51 suits road haulage better on this data: 18% (3.0 km/h / 1.9 mph) more top speed.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | F1L 514/51 | Pony 811/812 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 11 kW (15 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | 11.6 kW (15.6 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey-Harris Massey-Harris Pony 811/812” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the F1L 514/51 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Pony 811/812 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the F1L 514/51 and the Pony 811/812. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the F1L 514/51 and the Pony 811/812. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 20.0 L/min (5.3 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | 9.5 L/min (2.5 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey-Harris Massey-Harris Pony 811/812” | AheadThe Deutz F1L 514/51 has 111% more hydraulic flow (10.5 L/min / 2.8 gpm) than the MASSEY-HARRIS Pony 811/812 (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | — | — | No figureNo call on three-point lift: no figure on record for the F1L 514/51 and the Pony 811/812. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 1,310 kg (2,888 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | 857 kg (1,889 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey-Harris Massey-Harris Pony 811/812” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Deutz F1L 514/51 is 53% heavier (453 kg / 999 lb) than the MASSEY-HARRIS Pony 811/812 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 1,900 kg (4,189 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the Pony 811/812. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 5Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | 3 to 5Traktorenlexikon, “Massey-Harris Massey-Harris Pony 811/812” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the F1L 514/51 and the Pony 811/812. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 20 km/h (12.4 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | 17 km/h (10.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey-Harris Massey-Harris Pony 811/812” | AheadThe Deutz F1L 514/51 has 18% more top speed (3.0 km/h / 1.9 mph) than the MASSEY-HARRIS Pony 811/812 (both top speed forward, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 594 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | 534 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Massey-Harris Massey-Harris Pony 811/812” | No figureNo call on PTO speeds: no standard PTO speed stated for the F1L 514/51 and the Pony 811/812. |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | dependent (stops with the clutch)Traktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the Pony 811/812. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Deutz F1L 514/51” | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Massey-Harris Massey-Harris Pony 811/812” | EvenEven on drive: all two-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1949–1956 | 1951–1957 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Deutz F1L 514/51 has 111% more hydraulic flow (10.5 L/min / 2.8 gpm) than the MASSEY-HARRIS Pony 811/812 (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The Deutz F1L 514/51 is 53% heavier (453 kg / 999 lb) than the MASSEY-HARRIS Pony 811/812 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Deutz F1L 514/51 has 18% more top speed (3.0 km/h / 1.9 mph) than the MASSEY-HARRIS Pony 811/812 (both top speed forward, as stated by the source).
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on drive: all two-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the F1L 514/51 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Pony 811/812 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, three-point lift, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range, PTO speeds and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources