Case-IH Puma 165 or SAME Titan 165?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the Puma 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Case-IH Puma 165 suits road haulage better on this data: 41% (3,500 kg / 7,716 lb) more maximum permissible mass.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | Puma 165 | Titan 165 | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 122.8 kW (164.7 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | 120.6 kW (161.7 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Puma 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the Puma 165 and the Titan 165. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the Puma 165 and the Titan 165. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 148.1 L/min (39.1 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | — | No figureNo call on hydraulic flow: no figure on record for the Titan 165. |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 10,460 kg (23,060 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | 8,600 kg (18,960 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the Puma 165: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165”); the Titan 165: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 8,115 kg (17,891 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | 5,830 kg (12,853 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Case-IH Puma 165 is 39% heavier (2,285 kg / 5,038 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | 12,000 kg (26,455 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | 8,500 kg (18,739 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | AheadThe Case-IH Puma 165 has 41% higher maximum permissible mass (3,500 kg / 7,716 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 18 to 28Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | 26 to 27Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | Sources disagreeNo call on forward gears: sources disagree on the figure for the Puma 165. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the Puma 165 and the Titan 165. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 40 km/h (24.9 mph) to 50 km/h (31.1 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540E/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | Sources disagreeNo call on PTO speeds: sources disagree on the PTO speeds of the Puma 165. |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165” | independentTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | EvenEven on PTO independence: every PTO is independent. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165”; OECD test report 2410, 2008; OECD test report 2971, 2016 | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 2007–2011 | 1998–2001 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Case-IH Puma 165 is newer: production began 9 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Case-IH Puma 165 is 39% heavier (2,285 kg / 5,038 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Case-IH Puma 165 has 41% higher maximum permissible mass (3,500 kg / 7,716 lb) than the SAME Titan 165 (both maximum permissible mass, as stated by the source).
- The Case-IH Puma 165 is newer: production began 9 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on PTO independence: every PTO is independent.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the Puma 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the Titan 165 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the Puma 165: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165”); the Titan 165: lift at an unstated point, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “SAME Titan 165”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No call on forward gears: sources disagree on the figure for the Puma 165.
- No call on PTO speeds: sources disagree on the PTO speeds of the Puma 165.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, hydraulic flow and a creeper range.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources