11 material differences · fewer than 12
Tractor oneCase-IH Puma 1652007–2011No measured PTO figureTractor twoFendt 817 Vario-TMS2003–2009No measured PTO figure
Which should you choose?
Read our verdict on the Puma 165 and the 817 Vario-TMS → It is generated from the rows below by a fixed, versioned rule set, and names the figure behind every call.
Field by field
11 material differences · 4 fields identical or within 5%, which is not counted as material
| Field | Puma 165 | 817 Vario-TMS | Gap |
|---|---|---|---|
| Engine | |||
| Engine power, claimed claimed | 164.7 hp | 162 hp | — |
| Engine declared | — | Deutz BF6M 2013 C | — |
| Displacement declared | — | 5.70 L | — |
| Maximum torque declared | 540 lb·ft · 731.8 N·m | 575 lb·ft · 780 N·m | +7% 817 Vario-TMS |
| Transmission | |||
| Top speed declared | 24.9–31.1 mph · 40–50 km/h | 31.1 mph · 50 km/h | differs |
| Clutch declared | electrohydraulically operated wet Case-New Holland multi-plate driving clutch | Multi-disc clutch | differs |
| Hydraulics & hitch | |||
| Hydraulic centre declared | Closed centre | — | — |
| Hydraulic control declared | Load sensing | Load sensing | — |
| Pump flow declared | 39.1 gpm · 148.1 L/min | 29.1 gpm · 110.0 L/min | +35% Puma 165 |
| Pressure declared | 2,756 psi · 190 bar | 2,901 psi · 200 bar | +5% 817 Vario-TMS |
| Rear PTO speeds declared | 540E/1000 rpm | 540 rpm / 750 rpm / 1000 rpm | differs |
| Weight & dimensions | |||
| Unladen weight declared | 17,891 lb · 8,115 kg | 14,661 lb · 6,650 kg | +22% Puma 165 |
| Maximum permissible mass declared | 26,455 lb · 12,000 kg | 27,558 lb · 12,500 kg | — |
| Wheelbase declared | 113.5 in · 2,884 mm | 107.1 in · 2,720 mm | +6% Puma 165 |
| Length declared | 193.5 in · 4,916 mm | 185.0 in · 4,700 mm | — |
| Width declared | 85.2–114.2 in · 2,165–2,900 mm | 100.4 in · 2,550 mm | differs |
| Ground clearance declared | 18.7 in · 475 mm | 22.4 in · 570 mm | +20% 817 Vario-TMS |
| Turning radius, braked declared | — | 16.7 ft · 5.10 m | — |
| Fuel tank declared | 433.2 qt · 410.0 L | 359.3 qt · 340 L | +21% Puma 165 |
Height is not in this table. It is not one measurement: the sources measure it to different points — over the cab on some machines, over the steering wheel or the exhaust on others — and the same tractor measured two ways can differ by most of a metre. It appears here only when both machines' figures carry the point they were measured to and it is the same point, which is not the case for these two. Each machine's own page prints its height as its source gives it.
Case-IH Puma 165 sources
- Source: Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH Puma 165”
- Source: OECD test report 2410, 2008
Fendt 817 Vario-TMS sources
- Source: Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt 817 Vario”
- Source: Traktorenlexikon, “Fendt Favorit 714 Vario”