Case-IH 385 (DT) or Renault 461 S?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 385 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 461 S has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Renault 461S suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 60% (940 kg / 2,072 lb) more three-point lift.
- The Case-IH 385 (DT) suits heavy draft work (ploughing, cultivating) better on this data: 27% (548 kg / 1,208 lb) heavier and four-wheel drive.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 385 (DT) | 461 S | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 33.8 kW (45.3 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | 33.9 kW (45.5 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 385 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 461 S has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 385 (DT) and the 461 S. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 385 (DT) and the 461 S. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | — | 24.5 L/min (6.5 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | No figureNo call on hydraulic flow: no figure on record for the 385 (DT). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 1,560 kg (3,439 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | 2,500 kg (5,512 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | AheadThe Renault 461S has 60% more lift (940 kg / 2,072 lb) than the Case-IH 385 (DT) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 2,582 kg (5,692 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | 2,034 kg (4,484 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Case-IH 385 (DT) is 27% heavier (548 kg / 1,208 lb) than the Renault 461S (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 385 (DT) and the 461 S. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 8 to 16Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | 10Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | YesTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 385 (DT). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | 30 km/h (18.6 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | AheadThe Case-IH 385 (DT) offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the Renault 461S does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | — | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 461 S. |
| Which drives on both axles? | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Case-IH 385” | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Renault 461S R7461” | AheadThe Case-IH 385 (DT) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 461S is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1985–1990 | 1980–1987 | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Case-IH 385 (DT) is newer: production began 5 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Renault 461S has 60% more lift (940 kg / 2,072 lb) than the Case-IH 385 (DT) (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The Case-IH 385 (DT) is 27% heavier (548 kg / 1,208 lb) than the Renault 461S (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Case-IH 385 (DT) offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the Renault 461S does not (as stated by the sources).
- The Case-IH 385 (DT) is available with four-wheel drive; the Renault 461S is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- The Case-IH 385 (DT) is newer: production began 5 years later. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 385 (DT) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 461 S has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, hydraulic flow, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources