ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 or SOMECA 800 (TD)?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 190 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 800 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 21% (7.9 L/min / 2.1 gpm) more hydraulic flow.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 190 | 800 (TD) | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 55.9 kW (75.0 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | 55.9 kW (75.0 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 190 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 800 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 190 and the 800 (TD). |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 190 and the 800 (TD). |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | 45.4 L/min (12.0 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | 37.5 L/min (9.9 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | AheadThe ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 has 21% more hydraulic flow (7.9 L/min / 2.1 gpm) than the SOMECA 800 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source). |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 2,086 kg (4,599 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | 2,456 kg (5,415 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | Not comparableNot comparable on three-point lift: the 190: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190”); the 800 (TD): lift through the full range 610 mm behind the ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition. |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 3,477 kg (7,665 lb) to 3,558 kg (7,844 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | 3,000 kg (6,614 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 is 16% heavier (477 kg / 1,052 lb) than the SOMECA 800 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | — | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 190 and the 800 (TD). |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 8Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | 12Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | AheadThe SOMECA 800 (TD) has 50% more forward gears (4 gears) than the ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 (both forward gears, as stated by the source). |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 190 and the 800 (TD). |
| Which is faster on the road? | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | 25 km/h (15.5 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 540 rpm / 1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | 540 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | AheadThe ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the SOMECA 800 (TD) does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 190. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 2WDTraktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190” | Two-wheel or four-wheel driveTraktorenlexikon, “Someca 800” | AheadThe SOMECA 800 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources). |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1964–1973 | 1968–1971 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 has 21% more hydraulic flow (7.9 L/min / 2.1 gpm) than the SOMECA 800 (TD) (both pump flow, as stated by the source).
- The ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 is 16% heavier (477 kg / 1,052 lb) than the SOMECA 800 (TD) (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The SOMECA 800 (TD) has 50% more forward gears (4 gears) than the ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 (both forward gears, as stated by the source).
- The ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 offers 1000 rpm at the PTO, which the SOMECA 800 (TD) does not (as stated by the sources).
- The SOMECA 800 (TD) is available with four-wheel drive; the ALLIS-CHALMERS 190 is two-wheel drive (as stated by the sources).
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the difference is under the 10% threshold, too small to call.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 190 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the 800 (TD) has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- Not comparable on three-point lift: the 190: lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Allis-Chalmers 190”); the 800 (TD): lift through the full range 610 mm behind the ends, as stated by the source (Traktorenlexikon, “Someca 800”) — not the same quantity, basis and condition.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources