AGCO-ALLIS 9785 or Massey Ferguson MF 8170 A?
Which should you choose?
The data can’t decide this. Power at the PTO shaft cannot be compared: the 9785 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the MF 8170 A has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- The Massey Ferguson 8170A suits loader and hydraulic implement work better on this data: 11% (960 kg / 2,116 lb) more three-point lift.
Generated by rule set compare@4 from the figures on the side-by-side table, allowed by route “the same stated configuration”. Measured figures are compared only with measured, claimed only with claimed, at the same test condition; differences within each figure’s tolerance are not called.
What decides it, question by question?
| Question | 9785 | MF 8170 A | Call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Which puts more power through the PTO shaft? | 169.9 kW (227.8 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 9785” | 169.3 kW (227.0 hp)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | Not comparableNot comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 9785 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the MF 8170 A has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft. |
| Which turns a litre of fuel into more work at the shaft? | — | — | No figureNo call on fuel efficiency at the shaft: no figure on record for the 9785 and the MF 8170 A. |
| Which pulls harder at the drawbar? | — | — | No figureNo call on drawbar power: no figure on record for the 9785 and the MF 8170 A. |
| Which pumps more oil for implements? | — | 118.2 L/min (31.2 gpm)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | No figureNo call on hydraulic flow: no figure on record for the 9785. |
| Which lifts more on the three-point hitch? | 8,940 kg (19,709 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 9785” | 9,900 kg (21,826 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | AheadThe Massey Ferguson 8170A has 11% more lift (960 kg / 2,116 lb) than the AGCO-ALLIS 9785 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source). |
| Which is heavier, for traction? | 8,528 kg (18,801 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 9785” | 9,740 kg (21,473 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | Ahead (a fact, not an advantage)The Massey Ferguson 8170A is 14% heavier (1,212 kg / 2,672 lb) than the AGCO-ALLIS 9785 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source). |
| Which may carry more ballast and load? | — | 15,500 kg (34,172 lb)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | No figureNo call on maximum permissible mass: no figure on record for the 9785. |
| Which has the wider choice of gears? | 18 to 36Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 9785” | 18Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | EvenEven on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers a creeper range? | — | — | No figureNo call on a creeper range: not stated for the 9785 and the MF 8170 A. |
| Which is faster on the road? | 30 km/h (18.6 mph) to 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 9785” | 40 km/h (24.9 mph)Traktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | EvenEven on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap. |
| Which offers more PTO speeds? | 1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 9785” | 540/540E/1000 rpmTraktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | AheadThe Massey Ferguson 8170A offers 540 rpm at the PTO, which the AGCO-ALLIS 9785 does not (as stated by the sources). |
| Which PTO runs independently of the ground drive? | — | independentTraktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | No figureNo call on PTO independence: not stated for the 9785. |
| Which drives on both axles? | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “AGCO-Allis 9785” | 4WDTraktorenlexikon, “Massey Ferguson MF 8170” | EvenEven on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive. |
| Which is newer, and what about parts? | 1998–2001 | 1998–1999 | EvenSame era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts. |
What does this mean in plain words?
- The Massey Ferguson 8170A has 11% more lift (960 kg / 2,116 lb) than the AGCO-ALLIS 9785 (both lift at the hitch ends, as stated by the source).
- The Massey Ferguson 8170A is 14% heavier (1,212 kg / 2,672 lb) than the AGCO-ALLIS 9785 (both unladen weight, as stated by the source).
- The Massey Ferguson 8170A offers 540 rpm at the PTO, which the AGCO-ALLIS 9785 does not (as stated by the sources).
- Even on forward gears (both forward gears, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on top speed (both top speed forward, as stated by the source): the figures vary by configuration and the ranges overlap.
- Even on drive: every machine is available with four-wheel drive.
- Same era: production began within 5 years of each other. We hold no parts-availability data, so there is no call on parts.
- Not comparable on power at the PTO shaft: the 9785 has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft; the MF 8170 A has only engine power (gross or net not stated), claimed — a different quantity from power at the shaft.
- No figure on record for every machine, so no call on: fuel efficiency at the shaft, drawbar power, hydraulic flow, maximum permissible mass, a creeper range and PTO independence.
← Every figure for both machines, side by side, with sources